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CURRENTSHOP

If you've been following along for the past few weeks, you may have noticed a switch in the way I'm doing online business. Out with the Etsy, in with a random shop that looks like a blog. Yes, I know. It's a bit different than "normal." But hopefully, if you've purchased something or even just browsed you have found it realitively clear & user-friendly.

This is the deal : I started my Etsy shop almost five years ago. Since then I have sold all sorts of product, including, notecards, letterpress prints, letterpress cards, mixed paper books, art journal kits, mini book kits, paper packs, custom stationary, posters, custom posters, photo prints, word art prints, hardbound journals, postcards and probably more. I have loved the experience and have learned so much about making product, photography product, pricing, stocking and shipping. Etsy has been a wonderful site to learn on and host through. (In the past year or so, they have made some rad changes including adding coupon codes and it's become easier to list & share products.)

I first decided to take some of my online business off Etsy a few years ago when I started offering online workshops. I choose not to list the classes in my Etsy shop because I knew 99% of the interested students were going to come right from my own blog (meaning the fact that the classes were "searchable" on Etsy would generate very few extra sales). I used Paypal to create "buy now" buttons, wrote up all the class details and sold directly through a page on my blog. That worked out really well and I saved a bundle on fees. (Etsy charges $.20 to list one item – regardless of if it sells – and then takes 3.5% of each sale.)

This worked out really well, though there were minor issues. Once someone signed up for a class, we both got the standard "paypal payment processed" email, but I still had to send an seperate email directly to the student with class information and other details. And of course, with Paypal, there is always a fee for sellers. I currently pay 2.9% of US transactions and 3.9% of international + $.30 per transaction. I don't mind the Paypal fees though. Paypal makes my life infinately easier by providing a secure checkout and I love that most Internet shoppers are familar and comfortable with the platform. Transaction fees are the cost of doing business.

A few years later, I had a few retired workshops in my pocket and I decided to offer old classes in PDF form. There was a bit of a hold-up here because the files were huge and not easy to send over email. Plus I didn't want to worry about sending them out in a timely matter (what if I was traveling?). So after some research, I created an account with e.junkie. For $15 a month, e.junkie lets me use up to 250MB of storage and create details for 40 products. The storage space means that when someone buys a workshop PDF they are emailed a link that allows them to download the file immediately. (It's a win/win : no waiting for the customer, no extra work for me.)

E.junkie is not a shopping site on it's own (which means you have to use their buttons on another site) but it does provide you with a shopping cart, calcuates shipping and sales tax and makes it easy to customize purchase landing pages and "thank you" emails. You can see some of their "add to cart" buttons at work here. With e.junkie, I still use Paypal to complete all transations.

Shoppingcart

Above is a sample of what the "cart" for the workshop PDFs looks like.

Once I became familiar with e.junkie, I started using it as my selling tool for my current blog workshops. When a student signs up for a class, they get an instant and automatic email with all class details. I get an email that says they signed up. Simple, simple.

So that takes us to NOW. When I started dreaming up the stamp shop, I decided I wanted it totally seperate from my current Etsy shop for three big reasons.

  1. I didn't want to pay Etsy fees. (For fun I did the math, and so far I have saved almost $500 by not hosting the stamps through Etsy.)
  2. Like with the online workshops, I knew I would be driving most of the traffic to them myself.
  3. I wanted to test out a completely seperate venture.

I first considered bigcartel.com which seems to be super easy to use and customizable. Plus they don't have transaction fees, just monthly rates based on how many products you want to list. To me, that sounds totally reasonable BUT, I was already paying $15 to e.junkie (because as mentioned above, I love that they host files and let customers automatically download) and so it made sense to just stick with them and host entirely on my own.

Shopblog

So I created a simple blog. Yep, just a blog. I know Typepad like the back of my hand, so doing the coding and getting things just so on there was so much easier (for me) than learning a new platform. And so far, I have been so pleased with it. Pleased enough that when it came time to offer the summer books, I created an additional blog (that thankfully shares a shopping cart with the stamps). This has worked out very well and I had quite a few "cross-shop" sales.

I'll be the first to admit that it's not the simpliest set up of all time. One of my goals for this year is to design and code a working online shop at elisejoy.com, the domain I currently own that is in need of many, many updates. I am excited for something different and a new challenge. I have no plans to branch back into prints or anything custom, but I will use the shop on elisejoy.com to practice more web design and sell current products like online workshop PDFs & seasonal books. Plus, of course, stamps. This round was so succesful (thank you!!), that I am hoping to make them a re-occuring thing. I am planning on a fall line and then another spring line in 2013.

So how is that for long winded?! For me, it has been a lot of trial and error. It has been a lot of diving in with two feet and making adjustments as I go. There is nothing quite like learning a new system and working out all the kinks (except for maybe the feeling of your first sale!) and it's been a good ride.

I am more than happy to answer any and all questions in the comments. This is a HUGE topic and so many people have scratched it more articulately before me. I don't know everything about anything and so please keep in mind these are all just my opinions. I can only share my own experiences. I would, however, like to share this awesome post comparing Big Cartel & Etsy, from Maggie of Gussy Sews. I read it awhile back, before I was familiar with Big Cartel, and was totally blown away. And I also have to note that Etsy is still the first place I go to search for a great card to send to Paul on deployment or a fantastic fabric pattern to recover the couches.

Every shop system has it's benefits. You just have to find the right fit for you. Do not let the enormity of it hold you back from setting up your little Internet corner.

Update from May 2016 : Over the past few years I have continued to make changes to my business and currently use (and love!) Big Cartel as my hosting site for Get To Work Book . Shopping cart sites have improved so much and I'm finding this so user-friendly.

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41 responses to “reader question : online shop hosting.”

  1. Jen B Avatar

    Great info here, as always Elise! Very interesting to read about the nitty gritty πŸ™‚

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  2. jen Avatar

    So interesting to read … as the buyer, I had no idea. Thanks for sharing all the details with us!

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  3. claireabellemakes Avatar

    Thanks for sharing your experiences Elise and for your honest opinions! Love following your blog from the UK πŸ™‚ x

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  4. jessi Avatar

    Its like you read my mind! I was planning to email you with this question this week! Thanks for answering πŸ™‚

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  5. JillT Avatar
    JillT

    This is reason #17 why you are the first blog I read every day. I have had a shop in the back of my mind, but it probably won’t happen until I retire. But I so appreciate all the time you take to share your experiences AND to respond to your lurkers questions. I know that whatever the need, I can come back to you to find a recipe, directions, crafty ideas. Great resource!

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  6. ali Avatar

    wow. as a buyer and not a store owner i think this is amazing info! thanks so much for sharing it, what an insightful post on how small businesses operate online. As a marketer/pr practitioner who thinks about someday opening her own shop – this is very helpful! πŸ™‚

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  7. Emily Avatar
    Emily

    Good luck! I really enjoy reading the small business posts – really cool to get a closer, open look at how someone has made their craft dream a reality!

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  8. liza cowan Avatar

    I think your typepad store looks great…but I still recommend Big Cartel. The shop is easy to customize and is much easier for the customer to navigate. I’m sure there is a way to sell files also, like your classes. I love using BigCartel. The support is great and the storefront can look so good.
    I think you’ve seen mine when I was doing your AMAZING coding class. I blogged about BigCartel here (and notice how adorable my site looks now that I’ve taken your class!)
    http://seesaw.typepad.com/blog/2012/04/big-cartel-my-online-storefront.html
    cheers. Liza
    PS: I hope you will be sending pdfs of your coding specs. I took notes, but still…they’d be handy.

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  9. elise blaha Avatar

    I will have to look into if Big Cartel offers automatic dowloads! And yes, you will get an email when the blog workshop PDF is ready for download. πŸ™‚

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  10. elise blaha Avatar

    πŸ™‚ thank you.

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  11. liza cowan Avatar

    check this out: integrating Pulley (for downloads) with big cartel
    http://help.bigcartel.com/questions/160-integrating-pulley-w-big-cartel

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  12. elise blaha Avatar

    I still think since I already pay for site and domain hosting, I will probably build a shop on my website (and use e.junkie and paypal) but I love that there are so many small business options! Thank you for sharing. πŸ™‚

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  13. Kathy (kathyb) Avatar
    Kathy (kathyb)

    I love your pop up stamp shop concept- my stamp order arrived today- thank you so much! I love them and can’t wait to use them. I’m looking forward to your next releases.
    I loved the enclosed business card ” I make stuff….” That is being saved to include in project life or onto a layout.
    I’m all for supporting local businesses and small businesses and am keen for them to get as much of my money as possible, and not lose any through paying fees etc.

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  14. elise blaha Avatar

    Awesome!! πŸ™‚

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  15. cinback Avatar

    Once again, you are a complete inspiration. Your thought process makes sense to me. Thank you for sharing your learning experience. Blessings on your continued adventures.

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  16. Elizabeth Rosemond Avatar

    Awesome post! As a (very) small business owner, I still need Etsy for exposure/traffic. But I absolutely love that you are totally tuned in to your biz and that you’re brave enough to leap a little when the time comes.

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  17. Skye Avatar

    This was so useful! I really like how you did the stamp and minibook shops, but it’ll be cool to see what you come up with on elisejoy.com. πŸ™‚

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  18. emily kate Avatar

    And this is why I loved your blog 2.0 workshop so much. You are so great to share the information you used. And after taking your workshop, I feel like I COULD make a pop up shop like this on my blog if I wanted to. So thanks for sharing all your great ideas and tips with us.
    Also, I ordered a few stamps and I thought the process was super user friendly.

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  19. elise blaha Avatar

    awesome. πŸ™‚

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  20. Pidgen Avatar
    Pidgen

    I am SO bummed that I missed your Blogging class … but I do have some SUPER newbie questions: First, you said you have a website, so is this blog linked to that and the stamp site is also linked from that website? {Or are they totally separate from your website?} I just now noticed that you have /golden on this blog, so do you have different “fronts” from the same Typepad blog? Maybe these aren’t even real quesitons…but I’m trying to learn as much from this AWESOME POST as possible.

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  21. J3SS1c4 Avatar

    Great informative post! I’ve thought about starting an online shop, but for now, I’ve been unsure of the best way to go about it, so I haven’t yet. I’ve been coming up with some product ideas though, and it’s fun brainstorming. I love reading about your reasoning as to why you do things one way or another though, and your thoughts on the different methods

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  22. Katherine Ware Avatar

    Where did you start this all, Elise? I mean, have you taught yourself the blogging and coding and all that, or did you take classes? I know you offer them — I’m so new at this, it’s all a big blur. You made this sound so simple . . . I just wondered how you got started. Any words of wisdom or encouragement to make a blog and/or items you sell original?

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  23. Jill Avatar

    As always, Elise, great info πŸ™‚ I’ve got a class download idea in the back of my mind, but ABSOLUTELY no knowledge of how to do on-line sales. This provided a good start with options. Thanks!

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  24. Kam Avatar

    I agree, e-junkie is a great resource! I use it for 30 Days of Lists and my ebook and the feedback I get the most often is how customers like the automatic download! No waiting around for me to get off of work to forward a document that may contain an accidental virus! Win-win πŸ™‚

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  25. elise blaha Avatar

    No worries! The blog and the stamp shot are linked, but both have nothing to do with my website. And yes… all of the blogs (workshop blogs, shops, etc) are all part of eliseblaha.typepad.com. /golden is the front for the main blog site (this one)

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  26. elise blaha Avatar

    I took a web design course in college that taught me some of it. I went to college for business so I have a bit of background in marketing, accounting and all that jazz. But mostly I just learn on the go. I LOVE spreadsheets and coding almost as much as I love designing so it is a good mix. πŸ™‚

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  27. sophie Avatar
    sophie

    thank you so much for your honest opinion. this is a total off the wall question about your stamp shop- would you ever consider taking custom orders for stamps?

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  28. elise blaha Avatar

    Thank you! And no, no custom stamp orders will happen.

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  29. Rae Avatar

    Great info! Thanks for sharing! Did you get your shopping cart button by doing the paypal thing? I see a buy now button on paypal, but no shopping cart button? What am i missing? And oh yea- Will the 2.0 class be offered again??? Yes please!
    Thanks again,
    Rae

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  30. elise blaha Avatar

    No, the shopping cart button is e.junkie. Hopefully I will run the blog class again this fall. πŸ™‚

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  31. Hello Cupcake Avatar

    I’m tempted to print this post out and highlight the juicy parts! This was so helpful…..oh boy, now my mind is racing on what things I should change up to save on the fees!!!!!!

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  32. Justine Avatar

    Wow, this is so so helpful! thank you for sharing πŸ™‚

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  33. Chrystina Avatar

    I love how you never stop pushing yourself. Thanks for sharing πŸ™‚

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  35. Izzonet Ecommerce Cart Avatar

    It’s a great thing you know Typepad oh so well… It looks like you really didn’t have a hard time integrating an online shopping business with this. How did you find out about Big Cartel?

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  36. Darcy Kammerer Avatar

    You’re an inspiration to aspiring Etsy shop owners out there. I can really tell that you love what you are doing, because you’re exerting your effort to make your business successful. By the way, it’s a good move to create your own website and blog about your products. Your blog can serve to promote both your product, and your website. I suggest that you try creating PPC or back links to make your website gain more popularity and viewers.

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  37. Sage Aumick Avatar

    Your blog site looks great. I think that the simple layout makes it easy for your readers and customers to navigate it. It is also good that you decided to create a blog because you will be able to market and interact with people by replying to their comments.

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  38. Jenna Mills Avatar

    Get. Set. Go.. You rocking here.

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    You are fantastic…

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